These are the adventures of the MosieGrimm family. We started sailing dinghy boats (Laser and Albacore) in 2011. We purchased our first, almost real, sailboat in 2016, a 2002 Macgregor 26X, Criss-Cross.
In June 2018 we sold our Macgregor and moved to a larger CS34 Sailboat, Foghorn Lullaby.
If you are looking for expert advice on how to sail or maintain a boat, please move on, these are not the stories you are looking for. This site will show you our typical approach to learning anything new. We like to first explore all of the wrong ways it can be done and then we usually try doing it wrong at least one more time just to make sure we fully understand it. Eventually, we get it figured out and move on to the next new thing to mess up.
Please comment on this blog as much as you can! We are still learning and always interested in hearing your opinions on how things should be done.
We take Foggy to Loyalist Cove in Bath, ON for haul out. Friends warned us that the entrance to Wiggers Custom Yachts hasn’t been dredged and they are having to drag boats into the lift sideways to get them in.
Right before haul out, we finally had our solar installed on the boat. Finding an arch solution was difficult. We finally went with a local welder with experience with stainless to create a custom solution for us.
It’s been over two years since we’ve been able to get back to our favourite place to sail and anchor, the Thousand Islands. It was just as beautiful and amazing as last time.
With limited access to marina we debated not even launching this year. Fortunately things opened up. There were a lot of restrictions, but we felt self isolating on the boat was safe.
Government of Ontario declares emergency under the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (EMCPA). Effectively shutting down all access to marinas.
Our first time hauling out our CS34 we were nervous and unsure what to do. Taking the mast down seemed like such an impossible feat. Wiggers Custom Yachts took great care of us and made this way easier than I ever expected.
We traveled west on Lake Ontario from Cobourg to Toronto. Several interesting stops along the way and we were very nervous about navigating the busy Toronto harbour!
Successful completion of Sail Canada’s Basic Cruising Standard.
Course Description
This is one of the entry level courses in the series of Sail Canada courses on sailing keelboats and on cruising. It
develops the student’s ability to take command of and operate (with assistance of competent crew) an auxiliary
powered sailing vessel, by day, in light to moderate conditions. Basic boating skills are developed under sail and
power with a focus on operation of the vessel as both crew and skipper. Individuals with minimal practical on water
experience should consider completing the Start Keelboat Sailing standard before attending for this training.
This course introduces the operation of a cruising keelboat both as a powered vessel and as a sailboat. Terminology
used in describing the boat and on water activities is taught and used throughout the course. Practical topics under
power include simple maneuvering skills as well as departure from and return to dock. Basic sailing skills are
developed including sail selection, the use and positioning of sails to provide propulsion, and the operation of the
vessel with crew. Required and recommended safety equipment is discussed as is the handling of emergencies that
might be encountered while day sailing. The basic rules for avoiding collision with other vessels are explained and
this information is applied during the practical sessions. The meaning of weather forecasts is clarified and the impact
of weather on vessel operation, crew behavior, and on water activities is discussed. The curriculum includes an
elementary introduction to the Canadian navigation system and to the basic use of charts and tide and current tables.
The program may be offered in a day sailing or live aboard format. It is envisioned that the day sailing format will
be taught in not less than 27 hours of which at least 18 hours should be devoted to practical sessions on water. In a
live aboard format the course may be offered over a period of 4 or more days. A challenge of the standard may be
accomplished in a minimum of 4 hours afloat plus completion of the written examination.
Objective
To be able to cruise safely in familiar waters as both skipper and crew of a sloop rigged keelboat of 6 to 10 meters
with an outboard or inboard motor in moderate wind and sea conditions by day.
We stumbled across the Peterborough Yacht Club on Clear Lake. We joined, fell in love with sailing, and spent our summers learning to sail dinghies.
The club provided Albacores, Lasers and Optis for use by club members. It was a small and gusty lake, we spent as much time in the water as we did in the boats. Some fantastic members dedicated to dinghy sailing, including an older talented couple that were pro Albacore sailors, Yanna and Jiri Spirk. Their son, Richard Spirk, also was amazing to watch on a Laser in all kinds of weather.
Hi there, I too started off sailing dinghy’s and sailboards. We also had a Macgregor, We had the 26M 2010. Last summer we bought a 1990 CS 34 and sold the Macgregor. I am enjoying your blog. we have come across all the same problems as you so far!
Hi guys, very interesting blog! I’m looking for a CS34 and was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions. There is so little info on this boat available. Can you send me an email?
Hi there! Just wanted to give you both a quick thank you for writing this blog and chronicaling your successes and your hard lessons learned in such detail. I’m in the middle stages of possibly buying a CS34 and have found this blog to be invaluable. I’m sure I’m in over my head with this boat, but the maintenance posts are really helping me prepare for CS34 specific issues and to calm my nerves (enough to keep me proceeding with the offer process)! Much appreciated!
Hi John, thank you so much for the kind message! We both really appreciate the feedback.
It is scary buying a boat like this, I still remember the panic that set in the moment the previous owner stepped off the boat saying “she’s all yours now, keep good care of her”. I went down below, looked at the electrical panel, poked in a few cabinets to look at all the pipes going everywhere, went back and took another look at the engine and had no idea what most of it did. My mind was screaming, “what have you done!?”. But the good news is that most of it seems simple now. It’s overwhelming at first. My suggestion, which came from a fellow sailor, is get a quick overview of everything and then each season pick one or two systems to focus on and learn everything you can about it. Rely on the experts to help you with those systems you are not comfortable with, we paid for someone to winterize and de-winterize our engine since we had no clue what to do.
And yes, like us, you will probably make some mistakes. Hopefully those mistakes don’t cost too much and you will learn with each one. Don’t take it too badly, learn to laugh at the mistake and then figure out a way to prevent it from happening again.
Hi Shane….Further to my post back in May, I went ahead and foolishly bought (insert make and model of any sailboat ever made in the history of humankind) a CS34 at the end of June. I had to sail her home from a marina near Kingston and ended up spending a night in Cobourg. I spotted Foggy in her slip (on or about Canada Day) and I have to admit I was a bit star struck! As expected, I’m overwhelmed, but I’m taking your advice and getting an overview of all the systems, with a plan of engaging in an in-depth study of a different major system on the boat each year, and I continue to use your blog as a major resource. The previous owners of the boat kept a lot of the literature for the various systems that were either original or added on after market. I’m going to sit down and go through it this week – if I find anything that might be useful to you I’ll send it along. In the meantime, I hope you’re enjoying Foggy as a getaway this summer!
Hey John, that is amazing. Too bad we didn’t see you. But glad you got to see Foggy! We are very proud of her. 🙂
We’re happy this blog is helping. I’m still always learning so looking forward to hearing your stories and advice. Feel free to reach out with any questions at any time. The online CS owners forum at csoa.groups.io is also very helpful, that’s where I get most of my information!
Enjoying your blog! I have a CS 36T in Bluffers Park. I have a question for you re your rebuild of the isomat boom. Do you experience a lot of friction when reefing? Does the clew lie tight against the boom and the luff come down nicely to the gooseneck? I have heard that it is problematic to get a good sail shape and effective reef with this system. I currently have bull horns on the boom and rings on the sail and go forward to reef. I would appreciate your insights when using it before I set about to take the boom apart
Hi Chris, thank you for the comment! Our boat was based in Bluffers when we bought her. Great marina.
We are happy with the reefing system, took us a bit to get it setup right but we find we can quickly reef and get a decent sail shape. We do find raising the main difficult with the friction of the reefing lines. Our method now includes partially raising and then grabbing both reef lines from the end of the boom and pulling out as much line as we can before we continue raising the sail. Other than that we like the system.
Thanks, I hadn’t considered the additional friction on the way up. I wonder if it would be lessened with only the first reef run through the shuttle blocks in the boom. In my current set up I only rig the 1st reef normally, and add a second leech line if the conditions look like they may deteriorate further. That is relatively simple as it is just a triangle from a deadhead at the end of the boom up through the second cringle in the leech and then back down and hitched around the boom like a strop.
Great website. My wife and I sailed Sunkissed to Coburg several years ago where we met your wife on Foghorn Lullaby. I see from your photos that we also nearly crossed paths in Belleville.
Since you are compiling a database, I wanted to let you know that we bought Sunkissed in the summer of 2016 for $61K. We keep her at Fifty Point.
I recall my wife mentioning that encounter in Cobourg, I didn’t realize it was Sunkissed.
I haven’t been doing a great job keeping my database up to date. There is a better listing on CS Owners Association forum, you can find it here: https://groups.io/g/csoa
Slowly getting the boat ready for another season, hopefully we will see you out on the water soon!
Nice enclosure! Ive got a few questions about your set up. My dodger and Bimini are getting a little worn and I am debating replacing the existing kit, or going for the full enclosure.
Great to see how passionate you are about sailing and sharing your experiences. I love my CS-34.
thanks, we were very fortunate that the previous owner had put in such a nice enclosure we get constant positive feedback on it. It’s produced by an Ontario company called Dreamcast Marine Canvas. We’ve spoke with them a few times and they did a patch for us, they are great to work with.
As for your question about full vs just dodger. Lori and I will have different answers.
I don’t like the enclosure when sailing. I want to be out in the wind. I want to see the sails. I want to be able lift my hand up and feel the boom. I don’t even like having the bimini up.
My wife loves the coziness and warmth of the full enclosure. It’s like a greenhouse. And bug free after the sun goes down. I admit I like it too when we are not moving. It gives us a lot more usable space on the boat.
So you are going to have to decide what you prefer. If only there was some sort of automatic full enclosure button like on a convertible car… hmmmm
Feel free to reach out anytime if you have any questions (or search here, I try to share as much as I can here).
Hi Shane, I’m with you re: full enclosures – a mixed blessing. I’m making the move to cruising coming from many years of dinghy sailing – even with just a bimini I feel somewhat disconnected from the sails. Speaking of moving up, I’m looking for a boat and the CS34 ticks a lot of the boxes – solid hull, old enough to be afforable but new enough to have some the creature comforts of newer designs, and sufficiently lively in the often light breezes of the Great Lakes. Your site is terrific – thank you for all of the effort you have put in. I have gone through most of the site, but haven’t found a section where you describe why you settled on the CS34, likes and dislikes, and what other candidate boats were on your list when you were looking. Could I drop you an email to pick your brain on that topic. Many thanks, Eric
Unfortunately it’s the last model that CS built and they never had the chance to create an owners manual before they closed down. When we first started looking we were drawn towards the more common manufacturers: Catalina, Beneteau, Jenneau, … We stumbled across the CS34 and have quickly discovered that both CS and C&C are great Canadian built boats.
Hello, I read your blog about the traveler maintenance. I have the same on my Etap 38i that has the same exact traveler system.
Do you happen to know the part number or where I can buy replacement parts? this system seem to be outdated and I m not able to find parts so far.
Your blog is very interesting ! I’ve looked at it many time since we bought our CS34 earlier this summer. It actually gave me the wish to write one as well. Very interesting and well written also. One topic I’d like to hear about is water leakage in the main cabin, different sources and fix. Not that is is really bad, but with our previous boat I had fixed them all considering it’s not very good to have water always slowly coming and likely freezing in winter is i gets trapped some places. Did you experience some leakages and did how did you improve/solve them? Thanks François (CS34 L’Esprit)
Thank you Shane for your answer and sorry for late reply.
I found that water is dripping (very little) from the screws that hold together the hull, deck and railing. It is visible when there is a lot of rain, in the aft cabin. I thinking of some way of fixing these leaks by adding back plates from inside and by adding a countersunk in the fiber meterial from. the inside to allow urethane sealant (3M) to have some volume for expansion under the plate. I wondered if you have the same issue.
Hi Shane,
It’s Derek from the CS owners group. I saw your post today on getting new instruments. Lucky you!
I acquired a CS30 (Avalon) 3 years ago. It came with an ST4000 Autopilot which I’ve been keeping going with band aid fixes. The PO mounted the fluxgate compass in a very poor location. I’ve changed that so it doesn’t veer suddenly off course anymore. New belt as well but still doesn’t function like it should. A new one is on my wish list but in the meantime I’d be interested in you 4000+.
Let me know its overall condition and what you were thinking of asking for it.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Derek lasky
I just wanted to thank you guys for the post on the boom maintenance. Sure it’s older and not about sailing, but I gave me confidence. I just drilled out the rivets on the boom ends on my Isomat boom from the 40 year old Wauquiez Pretorien 35 I am refitting. Seems like we’re following the dream. Be good, happy sailing!
August 13, 2018 at 10:16 am
Hi there, I too started off sailing dinghy’s and sailboards. We also had a Macgregor, We had the 26M 2010. Last summer we bought a 1990 CS 34 and sold the Macgregor. I am enjoying your blog. we have come across all the same problems as you so far!
March 31, 2019 at 11:40 am
Hey guys! Looking at following in your CS34 footsteps but have a few questions if you’d email back svp?
March 31, 2019 at 10:48 am
Replied via e-mail.
April 22, 2019 at 9:04 am
Hello, I am looking at buying a CS 34 and was wondering if I could ask you a few questions?
Thank you
Lesley
April 22, 2019 at 8:39 am
Replied via e-mail.
January 22, 2020 at 11:24 am
Hi guys, very interesting blog! I’m looking for a CS34 and was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions. There is so little info on this boat available. Can you send me an email?
January 23, 2020 at 1:25 pm
Replied via e-mail.
May 3, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Same here! I’d really like to understand this boat a bit better, as I’m looking in this foot range.
Can you give me a shout at the email provided?
Really like your blog though! It’s to read about adventures with a particular boat.
May 3, 2020 at 6:16 pm
Replied via email.
May 9, 2020 at 10:21 pm
Hey Shane,
I’m thinking about getting a Macgregor 26 and had some questions! Do you mind giving me a shout on the email provided?
Best,
Andrew
May 13, 2020 at 4:24 pm
Responded via email.
May 14, 2020 at 3:11 pm
Hi there! Just wanted to give you both a quick thank you for writing this blog and chronicaling your successes and your hard lessons learned in such detail. I’m in the middle stages of possibly buying a CS34 and have found this blog to be invaluable. I’m sure I’m in over my head with this boat, but the maintenance posts are really helping me prepare for CS34 specific issues and to calm my nerves (enough to keep me proceeding with the offer process)! Much appreciated!
May 15, 2020 at 8:45 am
Hi John, thank you so much for the kind message! We both really appreciate the feedback.
It is scary buying a boat like this, I still remember the panic that set in the moment the previous owner stepped off the boat saying “she’s all yours now, keep good care of her”. I went down below, looked at the electrical panel, poked in a few cabinets to look at all the pipes going everywhere, went back and took another look at the engine and had no idea what most of it did. My mind was screaming, “what have you done!?”. But the good news is that most of it seems simple now. It’s overwhelming at first. My suggestion, which came from a fellow sailor, is get a quick overview of everything and then each season pick one or two systems to focus on and learn everything you can about it. Rely on the experts to help you with those systems you are not comfortable with, we paid for someone to winterize and de-winterize our engine since we had no clue what to do.
And yes, like us, you will probably make some mistakes. Hopefully those mistakes don’t cost too much and you will learn with each one. Don’t take it too badly, learn to laugh at the mistake and then figure out a way to prevent it from happening again.
August 10, 2020 at 7:11 pm
Hi Shane….Further to my post back in May, I went ahead and foolishly bought (insert make and model of any sailboat ever made in the history of humankind) a CS34 at the end of June. I had to sail her home from a marina near Kingston and ended up spending a night in Cobourg. I spotted Foggy in her slip (on or about Canada Day) and I have to admit I was a bit star struck! As expected, I’m overwhelmed, but I’m taking your advice and getting an overview of all the systems, with a plan of engaging in an in-depth study of a different major system on the boat each year, and I continue to use your blog as a major resource. The previous owners of the boat kept a lot of the literature for the various systems that were either original or added on after market. I’m going to sit down and go through it this week – if I find anything that might be useful to you I’ll send it along. In the meantime, I hope you’re enjoying Foggy as a getaway this summer!
August 10, 2020 at 8:29 pm
Hey John, that is amazing. Too bad we didn’t see you. But glad you got to see Foggy! We are very proud of her. 🙂
We’re happy this blog is helping. I’m still always learning so looking forward to hearing your stories and advice. Feel free to reach out with any questions at any time. The online CS owners forum at csoa.groups.io is also very helpful, that’s where I get most of my information!
October 17, 2020 at 3:02 pm
Enjoying your blog! I have a CS 36T in Bluffers Park. I have a question for you re your rebuild of the isomat boom. Do you experience a lot of friction when reefing? Does the clew lie tight against the boom and the luff come down nicely to the gooseneck? I have heard that it is problematic to get a good sail shape and effective reef with this system. I currently have bull horns on the boom and rings on the sail and go forward to reef. I would appreciate your insights when using it before I set about to take the boom apart
October 17, 2020 at 5:37 pm
Hi Chris, thank you for the comment! Our boat was based in Bluffers when we bought her. Great marina.
We are happy with the reefing system, took us a bit to get it setup right but we find we can quickly reef and get a decent sail shape. We do find raising the main difficult with the friction of the reefing lines. Our method now includes partially raising and then grabbing both reef lines from the end of the boom and pulling out as much line as we can before we continue raising the sail. Other than that we like the system.
October 18, 2020 at 11:29 am
Thanks, I hadn’t considered the additional friction on the way up. I wonder if it would be lessened with only the first reef run through the shuttle blocks in the boom. In my current set up I only rig the 1st reef normally, and add a second leech line if the conditions look like they may deteriorate further. That is relatively simple as it is just a triangle from a deadhead at the end of the boom up through the second cringle in the leech and then back down and hitched around the boom like a strop.
June 2, 2021 at 9:11 am
Hi Shane,
Great website. My wife and I sailed Sunkissed to Coburg several years ago where we met your wife on Foghorn Lullaby. I see from your photos that we also nearly crossed paths in Belleville.
Since you are compiling a database, I wanted to let you know that we bought Sunkissed in the summer of 2016 for $61K. We keep her at Fifty Point.
Orest
June 2, 2021 at 2:57 pm
Hi Orest,
thanks for the comment and great to cross paths again. It’s amazing how your boat really inspired us to get a CS34 so long ago in Belleville.
https://www.foghornlullaby.com/2017/08/picton-to-belleville/
I recall my wife mentioning that encounter in Cobourg, I didn’t realize it was Sunkissed.
I haven’t been doing a great job keeping my database up to date. There is a better listing on CS Owners Association forum, you can find it here:
https://groups.io/g/csoa
Slowly getting the boat ready for another season, hopefully we will see you out on the water soon!
September 26, 2021 at 10:19 pm
Nice enclosure! Ive got a few questions about your set up. My dodger and Bimini are getting a little worn and I am debating replacing the existing kit, or going for the full enclosure.
Great to see how passionate you are about sailing and sharing your experiences. I love my CS-34.
September 27, 2021 at 1:02 pm
Hi JT,
thanks, we were very fortunate that the previous owner had put in such a nice enclosure we get constant positive feedback on it. It’s produced by an Ontario company called Dreamcast Marine Canvas. We’ve spoke with them a few times and they did a patch for us, they are great to work with.
https://goo.gl/maps/P4HfQD5w1LRwMxbV7
As for your question about full vs just dodger. Lori and I will have different answers.
I don’t like the enclosure when sailing. I want to be out in the wind. I want to see the sails. I want to be able lift my hand up and feel the boom. I don’t even like having the bimini up.
My wife loves the coziness and warmth of the full enclosure. It’s like a greenhouse. And bug free after the sun goes down. I admit I like it too when we are not moving. It gives us a lot more usable space on the boat.
So you are going to have to decide what you prefer. If only there was some sort of automatic full enclosure button like on a convertible car… hmmmm
Feel free to reach out anytime if you have any questions (or search here, I try to share as much as I can here).
Shane
February 27, 2022 at 11:32 am
Hi Shane, I’m with you re: full enclosures – a mixed blessing. I’m making the move to cruising coming from many years of dinghy sailing – even with just a bimini I feel somewhat disconnected from the sails. Speaking of moving up, I’m looking for a boat and the CS34 ticks a lot of the boxes – solid hull, old enough to be afforable but new enough to have some the creature comforts of newer designs, and sufficiently lively in the often light breezes of the Great Lakes. Your site is terrific – thank you for all of the effort you have put in. I have gone through most of the site, but haven’t found a section where you describe why you settled on the CS34, likes and dislikes, and what other candidate boats were on your list when you were looking. Could I drop you an email to pick your brain on that topic. Many thanks, Eric
February 27, 2022 at 11:43 am
Hi Eric, thank you for the comment. Will connect with you directly via e-mail. Always willing to talk about boats, anytime!
This page lists out all of the features and specs on the CS34:
https://www.foghornlullaby.com/about/cs34-sailboat/
Unfortunately it’s the last model that CS built and they never had the chance to create an owners manual before they closed down. When we first started looking we were drawn towards the more common manufacturers: Catalina, Beneteau, Jenneau, … We stumbled across the CS34 and have quickly discovered that both CS and C&C are great Canadian built boats.
May 26, 2022 at 10:13 am
Hello, I read your blog about the traveler maintenance. I have the same on my Etap 38i that has the same exact traveler system.
Do you happen to know the part number or where I can buy replacement parts? this system seem to be outdated and I m not able to find parts so far.
October 12, 2022 at 4:33 pm
Your blog is very interesting ! I’ve looked at it many time since we bought our CS34 earlier this summer. It actually gave me the wish to write one as well. Very interesting and well written also. One topic I’d like to hear about is water leakage in the main cabin, different sources and fix. Not that is is really bad, but with our previous boat I had fixed them all considering it’s not very good to have water always slowly coming and likely freezing in winter is i gets trapped some places. Did you experience some leakages and did how did you improve/solve them? Thanks François (CS34 L’Esprit)
October 12, 2022 at 8:44 pm
Thank you for the comment François.
Yes, we’ve still not tracked down the source of the water collecting under the sink. Here’s a list of things we have looked at:
Good luck in your search, let me know how it goes!
April 5, 2023 at 9:24 am
Thank you Shane for your answer and sorry for late reply.
I found that water is dripping (very little) from the screws that hold together the hull, deck and railing. It is visible when there is a lot of rain, in the aft cabin. I thinking of some way of fixing these leaks by adding back plates from inside and by adding a countersunk in the fiber meterial from. the inside to allow urethane sealant (3M) to have some volume for expansion under the plate. I wondered if you have the same issue.
François
July 20, 2023 at 12:04 pm
Hi Shane,
It’s Derek from the CS owners group. I saw your post today on getting new instruments. Lucky you!
I acquired a CS30 (Avalon) 3 years ago. It came with an ST4000 Autopilot which I’ve been keeping going with band aid fixes. The PO mounted the fluxgate compass in a very poor location. I’ve changed that so it doesn’t veer suddenly off course anymore. New belt as well but still doesn’t function like it should. A new one is on my wish list but in the meantime I’d be interested in you 4000+.
Let me know its overall condition and what you were thinking of asking for it.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
Derek lasky
June 17, 2024 at 6:16 pm
I just wanted to thank you guys for the post on the boom maintenance. Sure it’s older and not about sailing, but I gave me confidence. I just drilled out the rivets on the boom ends on my Isomat boom from the 40 year old Wauquiez Pretorien 35 I am refitting. Seems like we’re following the dream. Be good, happy sailing!
July 5, 2024 at 11:51 am
Very much appreciated your illustration on the traveller fix, a life saver!
Thank you!
Ross
CS 36 Merlin